Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby BallaratBob » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:09 am

This sounds like another nothing burger on the one hand, but it could be that the dems took the bait. Trump is a master at 4D chess according to many and this might be one of his moves.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby Sparky of SoCal » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:58 am

I think your right. This nothing burger is going to open up an Obummer/Biden chapter they thought they were going to get away with. Trump will always say he was interested in past corruption involving US citizens in Crimea not info to stop Biden election plans. It is an airtight plan that won't work with the press or social media but will prevent any actual impeachment. Trump will have to weather the news cycle maybe to election time but the people who believe that crap were never going to vote for him anyway.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby drdesert » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:54 am

Biden's Ukraine entanglements under new scrutiny
Trump did nothing wrong. He should make attempts to expose corruption. Biden is in trouble on this one. If Trump's kids benefited as a result of a coup instigated by the USA, the press would be all over it. When Obama and Biden did the same thing back in 2014, no one really cared much. Double standard much?
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby ergot » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:51 pm

Does President Trump's Ukraine call equate to high crimes and misdemeanors?
Double standard as usual. For dumb-as-craps it's perfectly okay to attempt to derail the Trump presidency over obviously false accusations about collusion with Russia, but somehow it's not alright to look into legitimate concerns about Biden's obvious abuse of power to financially enrich his son. What kind of a messed up country is this?
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby recluse » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:32 pm

The Only Thing Stopping Them
This is mostly correct, but he fails to mention that the USA instigated the coup in Ukraine. He refers to the coup as a revolution to end corruption and fails to dig a little deeper to the underlying truth about the overthrow of a legitimately elected government.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby ergot » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:29 pm

Joe Biden - Look At This Photograph.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words.....

Just in case this video gets taken down, there's also a reference to it here:
https://youtu.be/MBgzne7djFU
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby ergot » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 pm

John McCain in Ukraine to meet with protesters
This was posted on Dec 14, 2013. It only has 6000 views and yet it is one of the most important news videos on YouTube. It set the stage for Biden to set up a deal for his son. Keep in mind that Biden and McCain were both on the same page when it came to foreign policy as it pertains to Russia.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby ergot » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 pm

John McCain addresses Ukrainian protesters in Kiev
If McCain was bold enough to make this speech in Kiev, then there is no doubt that the USA was already engaged in an operation to engineer a coup. That's as obvious as anything could possibly be. Without an understanding of the demographic composition of Ukraine it's impossible to appreciate the dynamics that the USA was exploiting in order to pull off this operation. The vast majority of Ukrainians supported the democratically elected government and wanted to work more closely with Russia. However, most of the population in and around Kiev did not support the government and were easily influenced by tactics used by the USA to promote the overthrow of the democratically elected government. This operation was conducted while Obama and Biden were in the in power and it was well known that Biden's son wound up with all sorts of business deals in Ukraine shortly after the coup. This video was posted Dec 16, 2013.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby Sparky of SoCal » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:55 am

But these things never reach the air waves of our news service.
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Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Russia

Postby MojaveMike » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:17 am

ergot: Insane McCain was extremely butthurt when it came to Russia. He went out of his way to bash Russia anytime he had the chance. This little stunt was no doubt authorized by the Obama administration and I seem to recall that Biden wasted no time setting up business deals for his son. Talk about having a silver spoon stuck up ones backside!
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