History of Downed Commercial Flights

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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby a2z » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:36 pm

Ron Paul on MH17 downing and the crisis in Ukraine
Levelheaded discussion of the situation from a politician? Amazing!!!!
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby ruskyed » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:23 pm

THE ROVING EYE
Vanishing point …
By Pepe Escobar

Lots of interesting assertions made in this article!
The Pentagon, with 20-20 vision over Ukraine, knows what happened. Russian intelligence not only knows what happened but offered a tantalizing glimpse of it in an official presentation, dismissed by the "West". The best technical analyses point not to "Putin's missile" - a BUK - but to a combination of R-60 air-to-air missile and the auto-cannon of an Su-25.

It is likely that our government knows that the separatists are not responsible and that it's all Ukraine's fault, but that doesn't move their agenda forward.
Moscow, after deconstructing the "logic" of the ongoing Russia/Putin hysterical demonization, knows that whatever they say will be invalidated by the Orwellian Thought Police. Yet as much as His Master's Voice controls what the Dutch and the British might eventually reveal, Russia can counterpunch by leaking the crucial scenario to Malaysia. And Malaysia will talk.

Most likely the truth will eventually be revealed, but it will be on a back page somewhere and the general public will go on believing that it was all the fault of Putin and/or Russia. That's basically what happened in Georgia, BTW. As you will recall Georgia fired on peacekeeping forces and Russia responded. However, the press blamed the incident on Russia for about a month, went silent, and then a couple months later a report was issued by a UN-sponsored panel which revealed that Georgia had been the aggressor. What percent of the public here in the USA realize all this? Probably less than five percent!
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LINK: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-150814.html
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby cactuspete » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:04 pm

Deleted BBC Report. “Ukrainian Fighter Jet Shot Down MHI7″, Donetsk Eyewitnesses
At this point it's pretty obvious that our government and media lied to us about this incident from the very beginning. Now all evidence points towards Ukraine as the perpetrators and yet instead of apologizing to Russia and lifting sanctions we pretend that none of this happened. The final report won't come out for a year not because it will take that long to figure out what they already know, but in hopes that everyone in the USA will have forgotten about the whole thing by then!
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The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.

LINK: http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby MojaveMike » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:07 pm

MH17: The Untold story (Promo)
At this point the USA has already won the media war on this event. They've convinced enough people that their version of the story (the one where Putin is the bad guy) is the truth. Even when the actual truth is revealed most Americans will go on believing that it was Russia who is to blame for this tragedy. Our media did an expert job at manipulating the story, which is why many consider our media to be the slickest propaganda machine in the history of our planet!
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby cactuspete » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:19 pm

'Many factors must be considered to determine how MH17 was brought down'
This guy presents a reasonably sober assessment of the situation, free of bias and open-minded. At this point it appears that it may be impossible to prove with anything close to reasonable certainty what caused the airplane to go down, or more precisely, who is responsible.
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby MojaveMike » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:19 pm

a2z wrote:Ukraine's False Flag Plane Shoot Down
This guy takes apart the propaganda put out by the USA. Obama, Hillary, and McCain... all liars. I think this guy goes a little far with his theory about Jews, but it's a lot more reasonable than blaming Putin for everything.

This Brother Nathanael may be 100% correct on this one. I think most people in the USA aren't expressing a lot of outrage over the airliner being shot down because it looks more and more like it was done by the people we are supporting and this confuses citizens here in the USA who don't really see why we are even involved in Ukraine in the first place.
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby pcslim » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:38 am

Berlin says media report blaming E. Ukrainian militia for MH17 lacked context
It's funny how much certainty our politicians and the corporate media had immediately following this tragedy as to who was to blame. Now there seems to be very little certainty about what actually happened. It seems that a gradual shift is occuring as the world comes to grips with the reality that our politicians and the corporate media lied to us, yet again, misleading us in order to advance their agenda.
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby surfsteve » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:45 am

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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby CactusHugger » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:46 pm

surfsteve wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2835088/Is-moment-MH17-shot-flew-Ukraine-Russian-state-broadcaster-produces-satellite-images-showing-fighter-jet-attack.html

Interesting post. The article claims that:
1) Leaked images show a missile being shot at the passenger jet.
2) The passenger jet was shot down by a Ukrainian jet.
3) The leaked image was taken by either a British or US satellite.
Although the images could be faked, it's even more likely that the USA is withholding the images since they are extremely incriminating and don't promote the interests of the USA, which seems a little a little odd since in the land of the free it would seem that the truth is what would set you free... but apparently the USA has become the land of hypocrisy where Russia is the enemy no matter what.
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Re: History of Downed Commercial Flights

Postby mrgreen » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:12 pm

Russian TV Channel Blames Internet For Suckering It Into Running A Fake Photo Of A Ukrainian Jet Shooting Down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
It appears that the "satellite photo" is fake and that's not surprising. However, it's important to keep in mind that just because the photo is fake in no way means that the airliner wasn't shot down by a Ukrainian jet. The interesting thing is that after all the fake images thrown around by the Ukrainian government and NATO that such a big deal would be made about this particular fake photo.
Let's not forget that in the case of Ukraine, both the Ukrainian government and NATO have been putting out false propaganda and fake satellite images supposedly "proving" that Russian military forces are operating inside Ukraine. And yet after months of making these allegations time and again, they've still not been able to provide any evidence of their claim that Russian forces have been operating inside Ukraine (apparently continuously) for the last eight months.

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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141116/19112429169/russian-tv-channel-blames-internet-suckering-it-into-running-fake-photo-ukrainian-jet-shooting-down-malaysian-airlines-flight-17.shtml
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